tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post8490876194906479113..comments2023-05-27T07:03:38.116-05:00Comments on Round Rock Ministry: Human sacrifice at Moriah and Egypt Gilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03349549764077933266noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-23913035200823437212013-01-18T22:22:05.586-06:002013-01-18T22:22:05.586-06:00I have not disputed or questioned whether Israel r...I have not disputed or questioned whether Israel remembers the death of the Egyptian firstborn, Yisroel. Your statement that "we remember it precisely as God directed us to remember it" seems much like a sound bite to stop all discussion.<br /><br />I leave it for you to reflect on this statement of yours: "obedience; was lacking in the Egyptian death." It seems to be about as glib as the sound bite. Your statement, if you and I didn't know any better, would have one believe, IF the Egyptian's upon learning of God's order fell in line to be sacrificed and were in fact obediently sacrificed, -then- just maybe it could be began to be associated with the sacrifice at Moriah.<br /><br />The truth is God did not lay that enormous burden on the Egyptians. Instead, God gave the order and carried it out himself.<br /><br />How is it, in light of our dialog thus far and whatever you might have read from my blog, that you would think I would consider as insignificant or dispute the calling of Israel by God in the aftermath of the sacrifice of Egypt's firstborn?<br /><br />Peace to you.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349549764077933266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-6004331151063118752013-01-17T15:13:14.561-06:002013-01-17T15:13:14.561-06:00Gil
We do not forget about the death of the Egypti...Gil<br />We do not forget about the death of the Egyptian firstborn - we remember it precisely as God directed us to remember it.<br />I would not associate that death (Egyptian firstborn) with the sacrifice at Moriah because the main ingredient (according to Scripture) of Moriah - obedience; was lacking in the Egyptian death. Still; both proclaim God's ultimate sovereignty over everything - a truth perhaps to insignificant for you - but the calling of my nation.<br />YisroelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-17298612453508139842013-01-15T19:42:07.284-06:002013-01-15T19:42:07.284-06:00First, Yisroel, if I, as you say, have taken the m...First, Yisroel, if I, as you say, have taken the mike from Israel I have not deprived Israel of anything. You yourself said it: They are saying, that is, what is on their heart. Whatever I or anyone say by way of our own interpretation neither denies nor silences their testimony.<br />Second, I have hardly, as you say, encouraged anything. I have presented what is familiar AND ACCEPTED by Israel, namely the Torah. This means my references to Jesus in this context are intended and kept to a minimum. You will not find me calling, as I stated before, for Israel to just "accept Jesus."<br />Third, these measures on my part cannot prevent you from straining to jump at your, not my, familiar, ready conclusions any time you happen to hear and engage with a guy like myself.<br />Fourth, the Jewish people ARE TELLING me. I'm letting you tell me and if I, as you say, have psychoanalyzed Israel's commitment to God, you on the other hand have said precious little to the content of my article.<br />You introduced the term, dehumanizing, so I will make an application. You judge for yourself if it there's any merit on this more graphic, human application.<br />The sacrifice of Egypt's firstborn happened according as God commanded. How much, how often, how closely have their voices been given the mike to be heard? What is the worth of ANY human sacrifice that we would dehumanize it and dismiss it and forget about it?Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349549764077933266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-21598329594559047972013-01-15T15:17:23.283-06:002013-01-15T15:17:23.283-06:00Dear Gil
You wrote "The Jewish response to th...Dear Gil<br />You wrote "The Jewish response to these sacrifice events may be the single greatest obstacle towards understanding the sacrifice of Jesus, but it is also framed between the events the firstborn and the resurrection."<br />So no - dehumanizing is not a "trump card". Dehumanizing is when a person (in this case a nation) speaks what is on their heart - and instead of listening - you take the mike from them and tell the world what they are saying.<br />We are married to God - the devotion that you are encouraging is the deepest violation of that marriage<br />To now tell me that Israel "doesn't understand sacrifice" is why they refuse to commit to Jesus - is unbelievably frustrating <br />Let the Jewish people tell you why Jews don't commit - you go ahead and present your best arguments as to why we should - but don't psychoanalyze our commitment to God.<br />Yisroel <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-46019836104809134762013-01-14T20:00:02.372-06:002013-01-14T20:00:02.372-06:00Alright, Yisroel, let me grant you, for the sake o...Alright, Yisroel, let me grant you, for the sake of discussion, that I am totally wrong on my point on the Jewish failure to understand sacrifice. I admit I cringe at the word/phrase "accept Jesus" as you attribute to me. It smacks of a superficiality to say nothing of biblical authenticity and as such not a phrase I am given to using.<br />Still, - dehumanizing? Is this a trump card?<br />I do not question or deny Jews have shed their blood for their faith and outright bigotry against them throughout history. Yet, here again you blithely say I ignore that history despite both my attitude and the content of my article. Although I did not presume to enumerate all of those periods in Jewish holocausts I focused on one. That one also happened to result in the shedding of Egypt's firstborn. Despite that being the focus of the article you have not said a single word, Yisroel.<br />I will be reading the links.<br />Peace to you, Yisroel.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349549764077933266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-45173644862424194452013-01-14T16:46:38.113-06:002013-01-14T16:46:38.113-06:00Gil
You make the point that the Jewish "failu...Gil<br />You make the point that the Jewish "failure" to "understand" sacrifice is an important if not the most important factor in the Jewish "failure" to accept Jesus.<br />This fits right in with the Christian pattern of dehumanizing the Jewish people. The Jewish people have written and explained why they cannot accept Jesus - they wrote the explanation on the pages of history with their very life blood - yet you ignore their testimony and pontificate as to why the Jews "really" don't accept Jesus.<br />Thank you<br />You may enjoy this post http://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/biblical-offerings-versus-christian-doctrine/<br />as well as this one<br />http://yourphariseefriend.wordpress.com/2010/11/10/the-blood-of-the-lamb/ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-35361263586494617542013-01-13T13:05:07.185-06:002013-01-13T13:05:07.185-06:00Yisroel, I appreciate the definition of sacrifice....Yisroel, I appreciate the definition of sacrifice.<br /><br />my notions aside, as you call them, I offered corroborative substance in my article. I would no more presume to ask by brethren in Christ than Jews to accept anything without understanding. I conceded, for the benefit of my fellow disciples of Jesus, how the Jewish rejection of worship/adoration of Jesus is not hard to understand given the Torah's strict admonitions against idolatry.<br /><br />Granted, the source links I posted at the end of the article may not include other authoritative source with which you are familiar in which case I invite you to share with the readers and myself that source.Gilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349549764077933266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5468989760708442428.post-67736340095118959462013-01-13T12:01:29.335-06:002013-01-13T12:01:29.335-06:00Dear Gil
Sacrifice means to relinquish that which ...Dear Gil<br />Sacrifice means to relinquish that which you hold dear - how hard is it for you to relinquish your preconceived notions as to why Jews don't accept the Christian claims for Jesus and simply listen to what the Jews themselves have to say about this position?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com