Saturday, October 18, 2014

Do you want the Holy Spirit?

Do you want the Holy Spirit? The question can be intended or taken as much as a test of someone’s spirituality or a boast of one’s own. It can also have the effect, even if unintended, of casting the immature of faith into doubt as to the indwelling of deity in them. Where is the Holy Spirit whom you want? What does it mean to ask for the Holy Spirit?


Should a believer expect his/her request for a miraculous gift such as the ability to speak in a tongue/language to be granted?


After all, Jesus said how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him? As if these words of Jesus were not enough there is always this one: The Holy Spirit can do whatever he wants to do. It’s a slogan which may play well and silence many, but it says nothing about one’s understanding as to what the scriptures reveal about the work of the Holy Spirit. It seems a foregone conclusion that the Holy Spirit by that very designation of himself as Spirit is subject to all manner of distractions and imaginations since he is, after all, spirit.


(note: Some believers attempt to create, as evidence of the Spirit in them, a distinction between tongues such as what the apostles spoke on Pentecost (Acts 2) and tongues such as in First Corinthians 14 with special emphasis on unknown tongues or tongues of angels versus [according to them]mere human language, but this is futile. Both words, tongues and languages as these appear in the English text in these chapters are taken from the same Greek word. Furthermore, I would add, that an understanding which is centered on the study or emphasis of single words in isolation is suspect.)

Friday, October 17, 2014

What is Halloween?

Selected (unrelated) reading: Artemis, Pentecost

"Satan's birthday!" blurted out the fifth grader to begin our class brainstorm to my open question, "What is Halloween?". Typically, I would do an overview with my students on calendar holidays to cover the origin, significance and present day observance. My colleagues were aghast at the mere prospect of mention or discussion of a religious point. My response to all was I was not interested in inquiring or imposing respective beliefs. The subject matter, such as Halloween or Christmas, is found in libraries throughout the world. Americans (I do not believe we as a people are unique in this respect) observe religious and cultural holidays with a shallowness with respect to origin and significance.

So, here's my attempt with dos (2) bits of knowledge, understanding and thoughts on The origin and significance of Halloween. I decided in favor of keeping links and references to a minimum while encouraging all to a survey study of their own. You will likely encounter discrepancies and variations between writings on Samhain/Halloween. My purpose is to do a brief overview of Halloween including, 1) The origin and significance, 2) The present day observance and practice, and 3) The value of observance as between Americans in general and Christians in particular.
The origin and significance of Halloween
Halloween, or "Hallowed (holy) eve", "All saints day" occurs, depending on the religious versus cultural, view on October 31 or November 1. Although it is regarded by some as a cultural event it was not so for its pre-christian practitioners, the Celts of France, Britain and Ireland. Among the Celts it was the learned elderly, spiritual priests of the Druids who presided over the "Samhain" (pronounced, "Sow en", approx.) religious ceremonies.
Samhain represented a day (perhaps two or three) when the lowering of the barrier of separation between the living and the dead, between the end and beginning of the year, occurred. It was a time when, according to Celtic belief, it was possible the spirits of the dead could be reached. All fires were extinguished (creating an opportune moment for the spirit world) throughout the land to be re-ignited with fire from the priests. Families remembered and invoked the spirit of loved ones and would lay out an assortment of treats to welcome their visitation. The danger in calling on the spirits of dear ones was that evil spirits (the aforementioned opportune moment) could make their way through into the real world and harm families expecting a loved one's spirit, also. Therefore, they disguised themselves to appear as evil spirits by wearing frightening attire ( costumes) as though themselves one of the dead.
Although I dressed up our daughters for their trick-or-treat night I have never taken to trick or treating let alone wearing a costume even in my younger days.
"Yes, Mr. Torres, but you're old" pointed out another boy to everyone's laughter.
"Oh! You're so right" I replied. "After all, it was the elderly priests who led the solemn Samhain ceremonies and it was not children going door-to-door asking for treats, right?"
The present day observance and practice
Halloween, from a child's view, is participation, in costume, going door-to-door armed with the intimidation, charm and their battle cry of "Trick or Treat!" Their's is a participation in a cultural event, including pumpkin carvings, devoid of meaning. Some participate in mindless destruction of property. Others flaunt a public display to profess allegiance and worship of Satan. None of this has anything to do with Samhain as observed and practiced by the Celts under the leadership of the Druid priests.
Even the "evil religion" tarnish given Samhain by the church is lost to many people. The Roman catholic church, as she has done throughout the world, acquiesced (as a means to an end: conversion of non-believers) to Celt culture. The church syncretized, that is it, melded or harmonized, pagan and Christian beliefs. Later, the church changed its stance and widened the distance between new converts and their this old pagan holiday. Samhain was distorted and demonized as Satanic worship and human sacrifice. The ignorance has been passed on from generation to generation.
The value of observance
Holidays in America, whether religious or cultural, bear a common semblance in the manner in which they are observed: A day off from school or work, picnics and parties.
Is there value in observing Halloween as a religious or cultural holiday? Halloween, and all religious holidays, are neither sanctioned nor condemned for believers in the New Testament. The problem and subsequent teaching by New Testament writers arose when holidays became a proof-test of faith. A former adherent and practitioner of the Mosaic law and now a Christian would choose, for example, to observe the Sabbath. That was not a problem. The problem occurred when it didn't stop there. The individual and other like-minded Christians decided to impose that as a faith requirement on fellow Christians. They targeted those who shared a similar religious heritage with them. The same problem occurred with former pagans as they decided to participate in their former pagan holiday festivities now that they were Christians. Provided they did not engage in immorality it was alright for them to observe the holiday, but not to expect or require fellow Christians to observe the holiday, too.
The Christian expectation, as set forth in the New Testament, is for the believer to be all things to all men. Thereby, evangelism and the winning of non-believers to faith in Jesus, the Son of God. In other words, the Christian's participation in a holiday such as Halloween is with a purpose and understanding of his/her participation and much more than self-gratification.
Unlike the mere observance of a holiday the practice of calling on the dead carries a strong Old Testament prohibition. There is a instance recorded in the book of I Samuel. The reaction of the necromancer from Endor upon seeing the dead may suggest this was a first time ever and may explain the charlatan's great fright. This is neither a condemnation nor acceptance on the Celtic belief. Their belief, whether or not we agree with it, was genuine. The biblical account inference is that even an attempt to connect with the dead is a prohibited. It is a turning away from the revelation of the word of God. It, not the dead, is where believers are to seek guidance and understanding in matters of knowledge present and future.
It is ironic that Halloween, shrouded in dubious practices and ignorance concerning the dead, should come to be a celebration of significant stature in America. Our communities come alive under the moonlight as we walk with our children through our neighborhoods. Total strangers wait and welcome eagerly the children to hear them blurt out, "trick or treat". Though some have cited Memorial Day as our day of remembrance of the dead in America it is primarily the brave men and women who fell in battle and nothing comparable to Halloween or Samhain. "El dia de los muertos" ("the day of the dead") in Latin America bears similarity to the ancient holiday. However, their observance is influenced increasingly by the American costume and "trick or treat" practice in recent years.
Americans may be hard-pressed to give a simple explanation on the meaning of Halloween. However, the affect in community neighborhoods suggests there is an undeniable significance. Perhaps, it is an opportune moment for us, the living, to ponder the meaning that shapes our lives, a great value in itself while we enjoy the night with our children. The gross perversion of Halloween as a glorious Satanic day by a Satanist such as Anton LaVey and which is so quickly swallowed up by gullible saints in Christ only serves to reveal our ignorance. LaVey's and other people's perverse corruption of a celebration is no different than false prophets like Joseph Smith who proclaimed a perverse corruption of the gospel.

The message of Halloween by the saints in Christ

The Halloween message for the saints in Christ in the community on Halloween is that while the Celts celebrated with a welcome the spirits of their departed dead; we in Christ celebrate life in our Savior Jesus, the Christ, the Son of the Living God risen from the dead.

Monday, October 13, 2014

Holidays: Pentecost and Halloween

(Note: This article neither suggests nor states that these two holidays are alike, related or associated in any way with each other. Read on, please. gt)


The value of holidays
The observance of holidays by adherents of various religious beliefs is an ancient, common practice. Typically, the value of these celebratory observances is to remind the older generation and to teach the newer generations the origin, the significance and the meaning behind those holiday observances. Oftentimes what happens over the years is that the origin, significance and meaning are altered, diluted or forgotten. This may happen either through the abandonment of those observances by the remaining, but fading faithful, or through attempts to make relevant those observances, even at great cost to their faith heritage, seemingly as a way to remain relevant or to maintain appeal in the modern culture.
Holidays are often cited as religious, pagan or political in origin with the last of these being, presumably, devoid of religious content

Thursday, October 9, 2014

Post Index

Here is quick and easy way to find what may be of interest to you. All are welcome to post comments which are subject to review before publication by me. Links without your own substantive comments are subject to being deleted. Thank you for visiting my blog.

05/23/2018 The magic of physics and the resurrection of Jesus
05/12/2018  Wine and the Spirit

03/06/2018 An Incomplete and Disingenuous Apologetic

02/17/2018 He who is able to accept this, let him accept it

01/25/2018 How could a good God allow suffering?
01/16/2018 The Father Knows
01/09/2018 The LORD is our God, the LORD is on!
01/04/2018 When Jesus denied that he is God
01/02/2018 Readers, Seekers, and Learners

12/28/2017 The Prophecy of the Good Shepherd
12/26/2017 Isaac, Schrödinger's cat, and Santa Claus: Virtual Reality, Paradox and Myth
12/25/2017 Why I Believe Jesus came in Finality in 70 A.D.
12/20/2017 The Day of the Lord: darkened sun, blood moon, fallen stars
12/19/2017 Is the virgin birth of Jesus a myth?
12/12/2017 The Son can do nothing of Himself
12/07/2017 Jesus: a gluttonous man and a drunkard
12/06/2017 The Only True God

11/25/2017 First Believe?
11/23/2017 Deity and the diversity and unity of one
11/22/2017 The sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter and righteousness
11/16/2017 Yahweh, Lord of hosts
11/15/2017 The Christian's weapon of choice
11/09/2017 Jesus: I lay down my life

10/29/2017 If God Existed . . .
10/29/2017 Why Do Churches of Christ Not Use Instrumental Music
10/03/2017 Eternal Generation of the Son

09/24/2017 And Justice for All
09/02/2017 Serving Tables: The Involvement of the Daughters of God in the Assembly

08/23/2017 How do those who are spiritual do justice?
08/22/2017 Women and the law of propriety and order
08/12/2017 Ezra: Put away your wives
08/03/2017 Why did Jesus not choose any women to wash their feet?

07/29/2017 Parallel objective lessons from Paul
07/19/2017 Principle and Practice, Prophets and Deacons
07/13/2017 Observation and query on Artemis in Acts 19
07/09/2017 Is the Resurrection of Jesus a Falsifiable Prediction?
07/05/2017 Observations and lessons for women and men from Huldah, the prophetess

06/27/2017 Were the apostles baptized?
06/26/2017 Announcements, communion and reading in the assembly by Women
06/21/2017 Spirits now in prison
06/19/2017 Baptism, baptism by fire, baptism with/in the Holy Spirit
06/12/0217 You Can Always Get What You Want
06/07/2017 The Charge of Heresy

05/27/2017 Jesus: The Father is Greater than I
05/22/2017 The Longing Desire of Moses

04/09/2017 A Change of Mind

02/07/2017 Confirmations, charges and other noise makers

01/29/2017 Building a Wall
01/26/2017 The Indwelling of Deity in the Believer

10/23/2016 King Hezekiah and King Hazael
10/19/2016 The Anointed Sinners, Moses and David

09/05/2016 Quietness, Salvation and Women

08/08/2016 The Call for Making Reparations

06/13/2016 The Murder of Homosexuals in Orlando Florida Nightclub

04/10/2016 God: Thinks, Feels and Acts

03/28/2016 Love With All Emotion, Intellect, Subconscious and Strength
03/06/2016 Muhammad as Spirit of Truth: A Christian Testimony Against Islamphobia
03/05/2016 David himself calls him 'Lord'
03/03/2016 Unity of the Spirit and The Shema

02/23/2016 He Has Explained
02/14/2016 Were The Prophets Called Gods?
02/12/2016 They Saw God
02/09/2016 Not All Things Edify
02/04/2016 Worship: With All Your Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength

01/26/2016 Who Died?
01/22/2016 Was Jesus Ignorant?
01/21/2016 Do You Hear The One I Saw?
01/17/2016 Preexistence: John is Elijah
01/12/2016 Book: The Son of God: Three Views of the identity of Jesus . . . a response
01/01/2016 New Year's Day: Purpose, Fulfillment and Affirmation

12/15/2015 Isaiah 6
12/14/2015 Crucifixion: Blunt Heart Trauma
12/11/2015 T'is The Season
12/01/2015 One In Us

11/27/2015 The Begotten Son
11/26/2015 The Spirit of Truth: With You and In You
11/17/2015 Sin, Righteousness, Judgment and ISIS
11/14/2015 I Opposed Him to his Face

10/31/2015 For Our Instruction: The Past, Present and Future of Israel
10/02/2015 Government and Church

09/23/2015 He called them gods
09/05/2015 Sisters in Christ: Fulfilling the Ministry of Teaching and Preaching

08/28/2015 Image and Power
08/19/2015 Gifts, Ministries and Effects

07/19/2015 What Difference Does It Make?

06/30/2015 God is one: On a Unitarian and Trinitarian debate
06/20/2015 The Image of Racism
06/09/2015 Gender Change and The Image of Male and Female

05/27/2015 In Between Epiphany & Emmanuel sermon: A response to invitation to LGBT
05/09/2015 Debunking Ignorance Concerning Babies and Isaac
05/03/2015 Same-sex, Tradition, and Marriage

04/18/2015 Why I Think Jesus Didn't Exist

02/15/2015 In Between Epiphany and Emmanuel: A response to invitation to LGBT

01/25/2015 Winning Football, Misreading Scripture: New Terminologies and Catchy Phrases
01/01/2015 The Bible: So Misunderstood It's a Sin

12/20/2014 Matthew 24 & I Timothy: power and salvation in Rome and Artemis
12/07/2014 Fourth Avenue Church of Christ: A commendation with exhortation

11/29/2014 Jesus' Marriage to Mary the Magdalene is Fiction
11/23/2014 The Indwelling of Deity in the Believer
11/09/2014 The work of Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the disciple
11/03/2014 What is truth?

10/18/2014 Do you want the Holy Spirit?
10/17/2014 What is Halloween?
10/13/2014 Holidays: Pentecost and Halloween

09/17/2014 BCV and context
09/10/2014 Disproving Christianity: Jesus is a LIE

08/13/2014 Suicide and mistaken notions

07/29/2014 Suffer the Children: American & Christian response to the immgrant children crisis
07/14/2014 all Israel will be saved: Replacement Theology

06/01/2014 Jesus and Zacchaeus
05/22/2014 The Singularity
05/10/2014 Transcript: Nearing the End - A Conversation with Theologian Stanley Hauerwas
05/02/2014 Real things, unseen things

04/26/2014 The Muslim fear of death
04/11/2014 How God did not become a man, but took on the form of man
04/06/2014 Do you eat Halal?

03/25/2014 Jesus and Paul: concessions for the divorced, abandoned and unmarried
03/08/2014 Led by the Spirit / Walk by the Spirit

01/23/2014 The Cult of Artemis and the Royal Priesthood
01/22/2014 The Righteous Who Live by Faith
01/18/2014 Does this offend you?

12/25/2013 The Righteous Shall Live By Faith
12/19/2013 The Indwelling of Deity in Jesus

11/02/2013 Jesus: Love & Hate

10/27/2013 What is Halloween?
10/22/2013 Melchizedek, priest of God Most High

07/05/2013 Why Millennials Are Leaving the Church
07/31/2013 Glen Beck is playing prophet

06/17/2013 The belief of childbearing in I Timothy 2
06/06/2013 The Cult of Artemis and the Royal Priesthood
06/02/2013 The Homosexual Right to Worker Benefits

05/30/2013 Weightier Matters
05/09/2013 Jesus Unscripted

04/30/2013 Walk in the Spirit

03/15/2013 Application principals on same-sex benefits from a parable

02/23/2013 Purity

01/14/2013 Searching for the Baby in the Bathwater --- a partial response
01/10/2013 Out-gunning the un-gunned
01/01/2013 Human sacrifice at Moriah and Egypt
02/21/2012 Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus - - - a comment
02/17/2012 Christianity and Gender - - - a comment
02/04/2012 The unwearied human body

01/06/2012 Father, Son, Holy Spirit . . . heart, mind and soul

12/26/2011 Christmas and holidays
12/18/2011 Serving Tables

10/27/2011 When the perfect comes

09/21/2011 The Submission of Jesus

08/20/2011 Spirit and truth: The Samaritan woman and Jesus

06/29/2011 In the Spirit
06/28/2011 The Lord's Supper

05/30/2011 Ahamd Deedat Explain who is the Holy Spirit
05/08/2011 Is Jesus Both God and Man? - - a comment
05/07/2011 The Trinity Delusion: a response
05/01/2011 The Wedding

04/30/2011 Judging Others
04/10/2011 A Properly Baked Cake
04/07/2011 Khalid Yasin: What Jesus said about Muhammed

03/05/2011 Royal Priesthood
03/01/2011 Book sparks charges of heresy

02/05/2011 Sorcery and Rebellion: One coin, two sides

01/31/2011 I Am Amazed
01/23/2011 If There Is A Prophet
01/21/2011 One Way to the Father
01/02/2011 One Year Bible

12/22/2010 A Most Wonderful Day in Eden
12/11/2010 A Christmas Moment
12/10/2010 My Birthday

11/09/2010 Humanists launch huge "godless" ad campaign

10/25/2010 What is Halloween?
10/01/2010 22 days

09/16/2010 Our moral code is out of date

08/31/2010 Stumbling Over Things We See

05/26/2010 The Human Jesus: a response
05/07/2010 God is (not) dead

04/29/2010 Father, Son and Holy Spirit
04/20/2010 Marks of a Spiritual
04/03/2010 The Resurrection of Jesus

Wednesday, September 17, 2014

BCV and context

Jesus applies scripture

I am going to take a book, chapter and verse (BCV) from the Old Testament out of context just like . . . Jesus.


13 “‘You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him.
“‘The wages of a hired servant shall not remain with you all night until the morning.
Leviticus 19:13
Jesus did not quote or cite the Leviticus passage, but paraphrased it in his own words in his instructions to the disciples.
Remain in that same house, eating and drinking the things they give, for the laborer is worthy of his wages. Don’t go from house to house. Luke 10:7
Furthermore, his servant, the apostle Paul, did the same.
Let the elders who rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the word and in teaching. 18 For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox when it treads out the grain.” And, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.” I Timothy 5:17
These two tactics, BCV and context, are the taser prongs of many discussions among the saints. These tactics are used as much to attack as to defend what each one believes, or just really feels that it is not only right, but what others should acknowledge, embrace and teach. BCV and context are touted as the ultimate throwdown. No rebuttal is expected. No rebuttal is accepted.
I stated at the start that I was going to take  a BCV out of context. I wonder what reaction that stirred in some hearts. The fact is the three passages from Leviticus 19, Luke 10 and I Timothy 5 all allude to one common element: the laborer and his wages.
The Leviticus passage is a charge for masters not to withhold from the hired laborer the wages due him.
Jesus alluded to this same teaching from Leviticus when he sent out his disciples. He sent them out to preach in the villages. He instructed them not to go from house to house but to remain in that house in which they were received while they were in that village.Lastly, Paul quoted Jesus, but he also substantiated his point by quoting the Deuteronomy 25:4 passage about letting the ox who works the mill eat freely while he labors. Paul’s application of the passage is as concerns compensation for elders who labor in the word and in teaching. Furthermore, for those who might have wondered or missed it Paul poses a rhetorical question, God is not concerned about oxen, is He? (I Corinthians 9:9)

applying Paul's rhetorical question

Today as in the first century, the truth is there are saints, men as well as women, who may not necessarily wonder or miss the reference to oxen, but they fail to learn, or to accept and make those applications of the text because it disturbs their sensibilities. Those sensibilities will remain undisturbed as long as the saints do not look closer at presuppositions and conclusions taken from the Deuteronomy passages and the application of that passage by Jesus and Paul in the New Testament.

For instance, what was the gender of the laborer? Although it is not mentioned the saints tend to assume that it was male, but even IF, and I emphasize IF, that were the case does the assumption also follow that since the laborer is not female she is not worthy of her wages? Or, that her employer can unjustly withhold the wages due to her, because, after all, she is a woman?

Was the laborer a teacher in the passage? Again the type of work which the laborer performed was not specified. Since Jesus applied it to the Galilean fishermen preachers does anyone think that the matter of the laborer's wages is limited to preachers only? Furthermore, it seems that like as some saints, as Paul appears to have anticipated, might think and assume that God was concerned about oxen there are saints today who have just as mistakenly drawn their conclusions that the gender of those who are to preach and receive their compensation is limited to males. Yet, neither preachers or teachers nor gender were present in the original text which Jesus applied as he did, not just for the moment, but for our learning. In the spirit of Paul's rhetorical question about oxen; does anyone really think (another rhetorical question) Jesus was concerned that men and only men are to go and preach and that men and only men are to receive their compensation for doing so?

Paul's application

Then, there is an extended application on the teaching from these passages by Jesus and Paul. It is a matter which Paul presented to Timothy for his consideration. (II Timothy 2:7) It involved the livelihood of those who make their living through the preaching of the gospel. Paul illustrated for Timothy how soldiers and athletes keep themselves from becoming entangled in the affairs of this of life, and like the farmer who labors must be the first to get a share of the crops. (II Timothy 2:6) I cannot help but notice Paul’s use of the term labor perhaps to stir in Timothy’s mind a connection with the Leviticus passage. Similarly, I notice he is emphatic, unabashed and unapologetic to Timothy that this is a must. Yet, he did not command Timothy on the matter of Timothy’s livelihood, but Paul was confident that the precedent of the scriptures from Leviticus, to the teaching of Jesus, and the realities of the lives of athletes, soldiers and farmers would be just a few ways by which the Spirit would instruct Timothy concerning his livelihood.
It seems scandalous for someone whose idea of faithfulness to the text is BCV and context. How could or would Jesus take a book, chapter and verse from Leviticus; paraphrase it instead of quoting it, take it out of context, and apply it to the disciples whose work as preachers and teachers was questionable and who certainly were not rabbis? It would be a stretch to say Jesus hired and compensated the disciples out of his own pocket. What's more, they were certainly not hired by their hosts who provided free room and board for them. Nonetheless, Jesus confidently asserted they were worthy of their wages.

Paul applied this same cumulative and combined teaching of the Law and Jesus’ teaching to elders. (He also applies it to Barnabas and himself. [I Corinthians 9:9]) The context of the Leviticus passage does not concern teachers, prophets or others who proclaim the word of God. Yet, Jesus, as he received from the Father, and Paul, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, revealed for the understanding of the saints in Christ that this book, chapter and verse and its context use of the Leviticus passage represented an application of scripture which was valid, true, and _ biblical.

conclusion
This is absolutely not to say book, chapter and verse or context can be disregarded and dismissed as irrelevant or that they have no use or value in our study and understanding of the scriptures. It is to say that the saints in Christ are to take notice and consider what the scripture states and how there can be, as modeled by Jesus and Paul, a proper application of a single particular passage in different ways. Is there any danger that someone reading this could go into a distortion binge on scripture? Yes, but this is nothing new. The word of God as He spoke it has been distorted since before it was even written. Furthermore, if anyone were to make a misapplication (image that) are we not as brothers and sisters who are indwelt by the same Spirit not able to speak and admonish each other and thereby strengthen our love and glorify God through our understanding of the Holy Scriptures?

The clout of BCV and context is as inflated and overrated as much as it reflects a serious misunderstanding of how Jesus, by the will of the Father, and Paul by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit were not afraid or timid in their handling of the scriptures in their teaching.

Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Disproving Christianity: Jesus is a LIE

This is a very brief comment on the video which bear the same title as this article. I encourage you to view Jaclyn Glen’s video. The content is nothing new to me and it is likely not new to some of you, too. Below are just a few quotations offered as a sampling of the video content. My apologies if I have erred in my transcription of the audio recording.

She has a “mountain of evidence against the Christian version of God.”
“There’s no such thing as hell, really, until you get to the New Testament.”
“The Bible was written by people that are influenced by the biases of the time period that they lived in.”

“There are so many stories, mythological stories before Jesus that had almost the same exact story line that he had.”

She states that these stories and myths about gods share various elements in common including the virgin birth, son of god, gifts of myrrh, brought salvation to people, died as a martyr, - some on a cross, and rose from the dead, ascended into heaven and that story is not unique to Jesus.

Horus, Krishna, Mithra: “The point is these three gods had so much in common with the story of Jesus. All came before him and it seems like nobody knows about this. I didn’t know it until quite recently.”

“How could you possibly credit it (Christianity) as being original and believe it completely?”

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First, I appreciate your sincere, even if unoriginal charges, concerning Jesus and the faith that is in Christ Jesus. Second, I appreciate that you see and have noted the many similarities between the gods Horus, Krishna and Mithra, and Jesus. I do not intend to refute every point in your video and I will limit my comments to a brief and general response.

You are correct on a particular point which I (quite unoriginal) have long made about Jesus. He was not original in his message. People in different cultures and different times had been exposed to the same message prior to the appearance of Jesus in the world. This has never been much of a point, even if some saints in Christ get hung up in their futile attempts to deny and distance Jesus from these particulars, of contention or dismay for many other (myself, included) saints.

A couple of things which you state, but of which you do not seem to catch the significance and the implications. Namely, that 1) the beliefs and claims of followers of Horus, Krishna and Mithra (and I am aware there are others) were limited to a particular people, time and place. Yes, it can well be argued there may be a billion followers of Krishna, but this is not due to a wide dissemination and embrace of his message outside of India as much as the great numbers of the indigenous population of India.

The 2) faith that is in Christ Jesus (note: Although I do not have a problem with people’s use of the term “Christianity” I have no use for it as it is the world’s corruption of a message written for all to read.) began among a people who for the most part despised and rejected Jesus. Although it began among the Jews and the message of Jesus as written by his disciples was in Greek (the dominant language of the world at the time) it was never claimed nor has it ever been viewed as the religion of the Jews or the Greeks. Unlike the message of Horus, Krishna and Mithra whose message and followers was limited to a particular people, (regardless of number) culture and time; the faith that is in Jesus was never and has never been limited or restricted to a people, culture or time. Have you considered how this element of disdain for Jesus versus the deities whom you mention? In our present time the world can see a prime example of the same limited phenomenon which characterizes these gods in the faith of Islam as practiced predominantly by Arabs in the Arabic language. Interesting side note: Arabs insist that converts to Islam learn Arabic. This is in sharp contrast with the faith that is in Jesus because there was never, even in the first century, any insistence for the disciples of Jesus to learn Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.

So, what is the single point in the message of the New Testament concerning Jesus which despite it being similar with Horus, Krishna and Mithra sets Jesus apart? It is the resurrection; a vital point which much like the similarities by which you are fascinated you have, to understate it, overlooked its significance and implications. Lets put aside for the moment (much like you put aside various particulars concerning alleged contradictions in the Bible) the awareness and measures taken by state and hostile religious authorities concerning the event of the resurrection BEFORE it happened and AFTER it happened.

There is a question for everyone after the haze and dust has cleared from their minds and from before their eyes. It is all about similarities which every disciple of Horus, Krishna, Mithra, Jesus and every theist and atheist human being, plant and animal share in common. The similarity which we all is life and death.

None of us remembers the moment or day of our birth. We are told where and when and to whom we were born. However, death is an appointment which everyone of us shares in common with every human being (-1) since the beginning of time. Our death is no less real merely because we read about it from different and ancient or even questionable sources as something which we share in common with those who have gone on before us. Even if we don’t read or hear about someone else’s death we need look no further than others around us including plants and animals.

So, does it seem insignificant that the claims and reality of the resurrection of Jesus were not a private secret known only to a select few? Is it possible that there are implications concerning that resurrection and if so, what are those implications? How is that what was as common and similar as the resurrection among the deities of Horus, Krishna and Mithra was grasped by people, even while being being rejected, though not denied by adversaries, of different languages, cultures and times unlike any of those prior to Jesus?

Wednesday, August 13, 2014

Suicide and mistaken notions


The recent suicide of Robin Williams, with all due respect to his family, has brought up some important, serious consideration and discussion on depression. Unfortunately, it is also taken as the opportune moment by some saints in Christ to cast condemnation and judgment in ways more deeply rooted in opinion than their knowledge of the scriptures which they profess.


I only thought to contribute to the discussion because of a nineteen year old young man in India whom I first met online a few years ago. He had been contemplating suicide at that time but has since then come to faith in Jesus. He just asked me a few days ago whether, as he said, a person who commits suicide could enter heaven. I replied I did not know but that suicide is never an option I would ever counsel or encourage for anyone. Needless to say it prompted to examine the scriptures for a better understanding of suicide although the subject, aside of King Saul's suicide, is not mentioned explicitly in the scriptures.


Suicide strikes us as appalling for theological or emotional reasons. One reason for that may have less to do with the death itself than our lack of understanding concerning sin and forgiveness. The consensus among some saints in Christ seems to be that sin (such as suicide is regarded by some and while I do not dispute that I do not hear much understanding being shed on suicide merely by labeling it a sin which condemns the person to damnation) must be acknowledged before one can receive the necessary forgiveness of that sin. There are two instances in the scriptures, which although they do not involve suicide, they involve sin. Furthermore, there is no indication from God in those instances about his forgiveness either towards Moses or towards Peter.


Moses lost the privilege of leading Israel into the promise land. The reason was because Moses rebelled against God. (Numbers 20) Peter denied Jesus just as Jesus had prophesied (John 22) not once but three times yet there is nothing in the scriptures about neither Moses’ nor Peter’s 1) acknowledgement of their sin, 2) repentance of their sin, or 3) forgiveness of their sin. Let’s not squabble about Moses striking instead of speaking to the rock or Peter’s mere denial of Jesus as though it were a small matter. It needs to be said lest there be any misunderstanding that when Jesus restored Peter through that gut wrenching questioning of Peter's love for Jesus it was Jesus' forgiveness of Peter for having denied him. (John 21) Jesus had also admonished Peter that once he was restored he was to "strengthen your brethren." (Luke 22)

The option by those who agonize in life and are overcome in their depression such that they fear life more than death is no different than to fear death more than life. Jesus experienced this agony and understands it. Even though he was fully confident of his own identity and the purpose of his life the agony which came over him with the approaching hour of his death was not a matter which he faced nonchalantly. It was through his subsequent power and triumph over death that those words he spoke long before his crucifixion take on a powerful meaning:


The thief only comes to steal, kill, and destroy. I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.
The contrast between a thief and himself was to emphasize the point that what Jesus came to do was to give life and to give it abundantly. This gift of life is a matter of great joy precisely because Jesus was raised from the dead and is alive.

So, what might this suggest, if anything, so as to enlighten us about suicide? I believe both of these instances speak to the mistaken notion, particularly of the saints in Christ, to think their slate must be squeaky clean with one final confession and prayer for forgiveness of sins just before dying. According to that mistaken notion Moses and Peter stand condemned because despite the serious, public nature of their sin they never acknowledged, repented or received forgiveness for their sin. Is their sin any less than suicide, or self murder as I have heard some people call it, or the little white lie they either forgot, denied refused to acknowledge much less repent or ask forgiveness?

It seems an easy play for the mistaken notion that suicide is the desperation act of those who have no hope or trust in God. This notion has a way of allowing us to not focus or overlook those sins more common and for which we can be admonished by others, something not easily embraced, or admonish others, something we tend to anticipate with some eagerness. This is not so with suicide victims. Whatever our good or bad judgment or condemnation of those who have passed from this life has absolutely no bearing on them. However it does serve to reveal our knowledge, ignorance, wisdom or love as those who proclaim the message of the love of God for those who hear us.

Peace to all.